Obama Not A Natural Born U.S. Citizen?
Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth; a law that was in effect between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, when the law was changed.
However, the new law did not preempt the former law in the cases of those born between the above listed dates when the old law was in effect.
Therefore, Senator Obama may very well be disqualified as the Democratic candidate in the upcoming Presidential campaign.
Presidential office requires the person elected to be a natural-born United States citizen if the child was not born to two US citizen parents.
US Law very clearly stipulates: “If only one parent was a US citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”
Barack Obama’s father was not a US citizen, and Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.
In order for her child to have been a natural-born US citizen, his mother would have had to be 21 at the time of his birth.
In essence, Mrs. Obama was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic US citizenship.
His mother would have needed to have been 16+5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.
Barack Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office of President under current law.
According to forensics specialist, Techdude, Obama’s COLB originally had the name of Obama’s sister, Maya Kassandra Soetero.
There’s a petition to the FEC has been initiated to verify the eligibility of Obama’s candidacy for President of the United States. Here’s some background on it. You can sign your names to it here.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:33 am
This could turn out to be interesting.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Is that Hillary I see smiling in the back ground?
August 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Naw, it’s Arnold, ’cause of all the talk earlier of changing the law so he could run. I’m sure there’s some lunatic jurist somewhere (probably on the 9th Circus) whose grasp of the English language would allow him to find shadows, penumbras, hidden meanings and secret handshakes in the Constitution that would allow Grego Krshjrvbnski from Poland to run, provided, of course, Gregor was at least a socialist and probably a communist.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
@Carlos – You are so correct… Lots of crazy court decisions coming out of Mexifornia…
August 12th, 2008 at 10:16 am
This will be the “October Surprise” of the election. When this breaks, it will be too late for Hillary to get on the ballot and it will destroy the Democrat party from the inside-out.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Sorry, kids. This article is demonstrably wrong. Obama was born in Honolulu, which automatically makes him a U.S. citizen, regardless of the status or age of his parents. That question was settled almost a century before Obama was born by the first sentence of the 14th Amendment.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Of the six posts above, only Sean’s makes any sense. The language of the 14th amendment is crystal clear: ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. ALL persons, please note. Born in the United States, automatically a citizen. Anyone who by virtue of his birth automatically becomes a citizen meets the very definition of natural-born citizen.
Carlos’s comment reflects a profound lack of understanding of the American constitutional system. For Arnold to become eligible to run, a constitutional amendment would be necessary.
No mere circuit court of appeals could possibly do anything to bring that about.
Those who claim to see hope of derailing Obama on the citizenship issue fall into two classes: the hyperpartisans who blind themselves to facts that don’t support their position, and the cynics who don’t believe for an instant that any challenge based on citizenship c ould be mounted, but see raising this question as one more way of casting doubt on Obama.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Gosh, Jerry, I’m sure glad you straightened me out on that.
Maybe if you had a sense of humor you would have been able to tell I was making a much broader statement about the judiciary, and how they’ve usurped a significant portion of the powers appointed to the legislative by the Constitution. I’d be willing to match my knowledge of what the Constitution actually says (as opposed to the way the courts have bastardized nearly every portion of it) with you any time.
And Sean, it depends a lot on how one reads the first sentence of the Amendment. And whether he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. I don’t know and, at this point, probably couldn’t care less. I’m much more concerned about how he wants to redistribute wealth, blame America for all the evil things that have ever happened, and let his own clique of special interest groups start micromanaging all our lives.
August 18th, 2008 at 12:56 am
OK, here’s the scenario, in case anyone’s wondering why the Clinton machine got the Dems to “go through the motions” of nominating her at their convention: Hil and Bubba have the goods on BO vis-a-vis his ineligibility for POTUS. Hil will wave a certified copy of her birth certificate from the podium, and challenge BO to do the same, on the spot. He will not be able to do so, because he is actually not even a U.S. citizen. Lacking proof of BO’s eligibility, the convention will be asked to vote for Hil rather than take a chance on BO not being able to prove his status before Novenber elections. Result: Hil gets the nomination.
Just a thought!
August 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Has anybody considered he may be the ANTI-CHRIST???????
August 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
hmm, interesting.
August 24th, 2008 at 8:08 am
check out snopes… they debunk this…. i cant believe people trying to be a blogger-journalist are still posting this same e-mail around
August 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Hillary will rise from the ashes just like the Phoenix bird. This was all planned a long time ago – Evelyn (de)Rothschild supports Hillary – that is all that matters. See the October 2007 Conde Nast travel interview with Lynn Forrester (Evelyn’s third wife).
The Illuminati designated Hillary so she will be the next POTUS. This is NOT a good sign for humanity. It means the NWO is closer than ever to achieving its goals of world government. By December 2009, Agenda 21, the Kyoto Accord (w/carbon tax), and Codex Alimentarius are all slated to be implemented. 3 billion people will die due to starvation. Hillary is an Illuminist (a practicing witch) who outranks Bill Clinton, also an Illuminist (and a practicing witch). G_d save America. Abolish the Federal Reserve, the real enemy of America.
BA
August 24th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
@mike b. –
This is absolutely true. All you need do to satisfy yourself is to view the ABC Video of Bill Clinton’s August 4, 2008 interview with Kate Snow while he was in Liberia (with Chelsea) – the video interview is still on the ABC website under (Bill Clinton says he’s not angry). Bill could not help himself in twice referencing the qualifications of POTUS under the Constitution. Bill also claims Obama is “smart as a whip”, a racist reference to relegate Obama to “slave” status. The Clintons have been taunting Obama – they know he is unqualified because they have a copy of his true birth certificate.
BA
August 28th, 2008 at 10:04 am
All of the people on this blog that thinks Obama is not a US citizen are ignorant, period. He was born in Hawaii for Gods sake. You people disgust me, you blatantly disregard the facts when it comes to Obama and quite frankly every issue you anti-American Republican fascists talk about. I swear all logic and reason go out the window when you people open your mouths. Oh you know I forgot that as Christians and good Republicans you do not believe in human reasoning. You think reasoning is bad and that is why you need a master and some stone tablets to tell you how you should live your own lives. How pathetic you neo-con appeasers are.
August 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
so many technicalities, it’s ridiculous.
August 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Sean & FBatRNC & James (Canada):
The Hawaiian birth certificate is a hoax. His family with a 2nd father moved to Hawaii from Indonesia when he was 10 yrs. old. It has been widely known that Barry Hussein Obama was born in Kenya in 1952. Born to a Kenyan father (non US Citizen-who was daily alcholic and womanizer/polygamist but actually was fairly wealthy(Kenyan standards) – who died from alcholic poisioning & lost both legs to a DUI accident – great father huh!! Democrats are trying to hide this, but the ramifications that a Kenyan- “White” American (not African Amercian! he is bi-racial!! another known lie!!) will probably be squashed still. His is a Muslim (schooled/practiced in Kenya and Indonesia Phillipino father) belonged to a racist (Anti white)church in the US rememeber Rev. Wright-oh yeah Mr.Obama denounced him recently only due to pressure from the Democratic party!) These lies and others list goes on & on & on. I can fill pages of this (from the Internet and reputable sources) that makes Hillary look like a pearly white virgin. Nobody’s perfect but McCain is the only real choice we have, and I am a Democrat! Oh yeah James from Canada (~50+ POSTS?-get a life!)you can’t vote for Hussein Obama, your thoughts or opinions mean nothing, so worry about your country/politics – please!!
August 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Well then why don’t you take your so called evidence of a hoaxed birth certificate and tell it to the people that matter and not on this blog if you are that concerned about it. You people believe all of the dirty tricks and nonsense that Obama haters put out on the Internet. Mr. Wright is not a racist and he is not anti America. He was merely talking about what the GOVERNMENT actually did. You are so ignorant that you have no idea that your own country experimented on unknowing, unconsenting, black and white military servicemen. That is only one instance out of who knows how many. So it wouldn’t be a stretch to suggest that the US government could of had there hands in the whole HiV/AiDS mess. The Rev. Wright is also not anti white, just because he talks about some white people that have brought this country shame or if he said anything bad about our country you brand him as a racist America hater. Hummm look who’s playing the race card now. Idiot. You guys are so ignorant of your own country, you wave the flag believing that in doing so you are being so patriotic. How funny that is. Go back to school and learn about all of the bad things that this country has brought upon other parts of the world and to its own people. I love America and I will fight and die if anyone ever invaded this country. I believe you republican, neocon, Christians are the real enemy of this country, I have a feeling that sooner or later this country will be in another civil war against The Christians vs the secularists I cant wait for that one. In your entire statement there was absolutely no truth to it. Barack Obama is NOT A MUSLIM he is a Christian (even worse). McCain will deliver the same exact bullshit that Bush gave us. If McNoBrain comes in I am going to sit back and just laugh when he starts making contraceptives illegal, over turns roe vs wade, starts another war with either Iran or Russia, destroys the economy even further, causes gas price to shoot up to 10.00 a gallon. McCain is the elitist along with his billionaire wife Cindy. Give me a break you people all have an IQ of a fucking cucumber. There is no point in debating you crazies because even if someone had proof, real proof about Obama you would just disregard it as a liberal cover-up. Christian Republican neocons and there sheep like you will be the downfall of this country. Next time you post please make sure it is intelligibly written and try and include some actual verifiable facts before you open your mouth spew some more republican disinformation. What an asshat people like you are. What a waste of a brain.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
What is it with you long-winded liberals? Can’t you at least be succinct?
Obama is a Muslim. His father was a Muslim, as was his stepfather. He was registered in school as Barry Soetoro and as a Muslim. According to Islamic law, that makes him a Muslim. Furthermore, the penalty for leaving Islam is death.
If, as you claim he’s a Christian, then where is there any evidence of his baptism?
Furthermore, his beloved Pastor of 20 years, Jeremiah Wright was also a Muslim, and that is according to the left wing New Republic. Again Islam’s penalty for apostasy is death, and there has been no fatwa on Rev. Wright. So I say he’s also a Muslim.
And finally, if you can argue here with a straight face that Rev. Wright doesn’t hate America, then you are delusional.
August 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
F(ULL) of B (ULL SHIT) @ RNC–that’s quite a
handle, dumbass.
Just got to beat you up a bit, I am thru
‘defending’ my stance on Allahbama!
He is wrong for America….PERIOD!
August 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
FB, let me be short, sweet, and to the point: like most liberals you persist in engaging in the same behavior, no matter how flawed, hoping to get different results.
What will it take for you to realize that when you suck Obama’s ass you will ALWAYS get shit. Never diamonds. Or money. Or health. Or a job. You might get some crack, though. It all depends how wide apart he holds his cheeks.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
FBatRNC said:
“I believe you republican, neocon, Christians are the real enemy of this country, I have a feeling that sooner or later this country will be in another civil war against The Christians vs the secularists I cant wait for that one.”
Dude, you best think about that statement first. The overwhelming vast majority of gun owners in this country are Christians clinging to their guns and bibles. You really looking forward to a civil war against the most heavily armed civilian populace the world has even known? You best realize too that there will be quite a few non-Christians of the Jewish faith and non-believers, like our good friend OCM, standing right beside us.
But then, what can we expect from the product of inferior breeding.
September 1st, 2008 at 6:38 am
I am looking forward to that war, that will be the time we rid the planet of you neo-con conservatives. What makes you think that I am not a gun owner? Just because I am a liberal does not mean I do not own any rifles. Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Do me a favor people keep reading your bible and keep passing along lies and half truths. When you see JC please piss in his ear for me, he will know what I mean. Its an inside joke we have with each other. All critical thinking has gone out the window on this blog. Amazing, I cant wait until Obama is elected just so I can hear you people whining about it.
Where is there any evidence of Obama being a Muslim? I am not talking about evidence from your masters Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O I mean real evidence. You simple folk are very amusing to me. Have fun guys its been a treat but there is no use debating people who use bullshit hearsay as evidence.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:17 am
Obama will not be elected. Sarah Palin will mop the floor with both Obama and Biden. And of course you libtards will be the ones resorting to whining, and even rioting when your messias loses.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:23 am
FB: you wouldn’t know critical thinking if it slapped you upside the head. Obama does not stand a chance now. Barring a major fuckup by McCain (which at this point seems unlikely) I’m almost willing to bet he’ll run away with it. Of course, liberals will whine about how the election was stolen and never give a second thought to how they are incapable of voting properly to begin with (witness ACORN voting scandals, dead people voting, criminals and illegals–almost EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DEMOCRATS! And let’s not forget the morons in Florida in ’00)
As for bullshit hearsay: please explain why leftoids have their panties wet with glee over Palin’s baby not being hers. Go on. Tell me where the hearsay ends and the bullshit brainwashing begins. Go on. I’m waiting.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am
On and on…..
Can’t debate the issue anymore…
If just 10% of the Allahbama political gossip is true YOU ALL GOT THE WRONG MAN to be president of OUR United States.
How about something as simple as: THE WORLD IS FACING A CRISIS WITH MOOOSIE TERRORISTS
and WE might have a president name Barack Hussein Obama????
Who is more likely to be blown away by a
white supremacy nut job???? (That’s all the country needs, considering how uppity a lot of blacks are!)
Amen….
September 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Notice there fool that I said the vast majority of gun owners. But, for every one of you liberal who own firearms, their are 15 Conservatives who do. I’ll give you a tip there clown, buy military type rifles and bunches of ammo to put through it.
Also, it’s too bad you’re a gambler.
Blaise Pascal…1623-1662
In Pascal’s Pensées, one of his large religious papers, Pascal made a famous statement known as Pascal’s Wager: “If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing.” His conclusion was that “…we are compelled
to gamble…”
September 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
BOB, interesting!
Even though I tend to believe in evolution, but the world’s evolution needs (needed) lots of help!
Whether it be God or the ‘ancient astronauts’, only TIME will tell.
September 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
F-bat, you want a civil war? Be careful what you wish for, mate.
But, really, the rest of you, don’t waste your time and energy with people like that. Once the name calling starts, debate is out the window. He believes.
September 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Geeze – I bet we won’t see this story (or at least in the TRUE light of it) onn CNN or God forbid Keith Olberman should have to denounce his Obama-messiah on MSNBC!!! Maybe Hillary is saying “gotcha!”
…Teresa
September 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
UHHH – are you sure about that? Didn’t the DNC AND Barrack (or Barry or what ever his name is)get served with papers for Fed. Court document approval on Sept. 3rd? Wasn’t he born in Indonesia and then brought back to Hawaii???
@Sean -
October 5th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
EAT A DICK.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
EEBIE, I see you’re obviously an Obama supporter.
October 6th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Zelda, I suspect EEBIE is already sucking Obama’s dick and not liking the after taste. But you’ll continue to eat dick, won’t you, EEBIE because the Messiah has you brainwashed into thinking it’s an ice cream cone. Plus, as an Obama-bot you must do what your master commands.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:59 am
When we all vote for McCain/Palin
this Allahbama crap will be over and (FR)EEBIE will have to find
a new BOY….
October 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
EEBIE, you really don’t have to tell us what your favorite meal is. You just keep right on eating what you like.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:51 am
He was not born in Hawaii, he was born in Kenya. They flew to Hawaii after the birth.
I am so sorry!
October 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Why is it that when something McCain cooks up some BS about Obama everyone believes it as gospel but when cold hard facts come up about McCain (being up Bush’s ass 24/7, the Keating 5, Hanging out with Liddy, his war record, dumping his crippled wife for a hotter (billionaire) wife, having an abysmal record for his home state, etc everyone refutes it up and down? I weep for our (bleak) future. Facts: McCain brings nothing new to the table and Palin is a powermad evangelical. Both together will ruin whats left of the us and even though I don’t support Obama he’s leagues better than those 2 sleazy nutjobs.
October 27th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
So you’re voting for Obama, Joe?
October 27th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Whether someone votes for Obama, Barr, or Gumby for that matter is their own business. But I’m guessing because I’m “bagging on your man” I could be tarred with any one of a hundred nasty labels. Maybe the “liberal” tag could be mine? Or perhaps “Muslim”? It’s a tired notion that we can all be categorized based on what we believe is right and somehow if we can be fit in to some lame tag politicians dredged up we can be dismissed as idiots or people who hate our country. I have a challenge for you: Answer a comment without bringing up inaccurate facts your party fed to you and stop insinuating that people are somehow inferior to you because they tend to think for themselves sometimes.
October 27th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
…and Zelda I’m registered as “independent” if that helps.
October 27th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
And Zelda, whats your problem with Muslims?
October 27th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I have news for you Joe.
I don’t like McCain either. However, McCain is the lesser of the two evils in this election. Therefore, I’m holding my nose and voting for him. If you take the time to read my older posts, you’ll see I’m no blind McCain fan.
An Obama presidency would be a disaster for America. First off, there unsavory relationships such as Bill Ayres, ACORN, Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, his communist mentor whose name currently escapes me, Reverend Pflegger, Samantha Power, who said we should invade Israel, Bresezinski, who is a Jimmy Carter leftover, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, and many more.
Islam is more than a religion. I know because I have family from those parts. It’s also a political system. And the places where you Muslims in charge, or even where there’s a vocal minority, you have trouble.
America is a country founded on Judeo Christian values, not on the Koran.
October 27th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
*BZZT!* wrong.
…on all counts. I could ask you to prove all of that but I know your comments would only mirror what McCain already said throughout his campaign. Blindly following someone based on your religious or racial beliefs is not what this country was founded on. And for the record the founding fathers had VERY LITTLE use for religion. To quote a few:
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.”
–Thomas Jefferson, letter to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.”
–James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”
–Ben Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1758
…and as for Palin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU
…Read a book sometime, Z.
October 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Actually, you’re wrong.
Here’s what the Founding Fathers had to say about religion:
John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” –October 11, 1798
-Thomas Jefferson
“I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen.” December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson
John Quincy Adams:
• “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?” “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity”?
–1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.
“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61
October 27th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
also by John Adams:
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!”
And Jefferson:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained.”
(this about the Revelation of St. John)
and best of all, the treaty of Tripoli:
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers – two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.
…there are a million and one articles for and against every argument on the internet. It’s an easy cut and paste. But somehow blind faith is easier than thinking for yourself. I’m guilty of it and so is everyone on this planet, but I want more out of life than to let someone who’s far richer than me to tell me “what’s in my best interest” I know I’ll never change your mind since judeo christian values forbid it. But try to be tolerant of differing views. Our country was founded by immigrants with the hope of life, liberty, freedom. and the pursuit of happiness REGARDLESS of race religion or creed. The arguments I’ve heard from John McCain and Sarah Palin contradict that, and that is one of many reasons I oppose them.
Last quote of the night my friend:
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV
Thank you Z.
October 27th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Joe, Joe, Joe – you are a bit confused. While many of the founding fathers, including the one’s you cited, could be referred to as “deists” they certainly did not have a disdain for religion en masse. They did, however, have strong feelings against mixing civil law with religion; that is to say that they believed in the principles of religious teachings, but they were dead set against taking civil law directly from the Bible. They were opposed to the idea of a theocracy or religious monarchy, something with which they were all too familiar.
If they had no use for religion, why did each session of Congress begin with a prayer?
For the record, I am not a practicing Christian. I just can’t let history be re-written by those who don’t like it the way it was.
October 27th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Thank you Joe. At least you’re polite.
Now you say you don’t want someone who’s far richer than you telling you how to live your life. But Obama and his wife are far richer than most of us. Why do you want him to tell you how to live you life but not McCain?
I think the Democratic party is for lefty billionaires like George Soros, trial lawyers, Hollywood actors, illegals, and people on public assistance. You can say the Republicans are the party of the big businesses. But I think they’re also for the middle class. We all aspire to make more money and be successful. So that shouldn’t be penalized.
October 27th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Here’s a passage of scripture I like.
Revelation 19:11-19
And I saw heaven opened , and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written , that no man knew , but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written , KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
October 27th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
We’ve got to remember the Founding Fathers just revolted for England and basically European control. They saw firsthand religion at its worst. They witnessed many nations in Europe being controlled by the Pope and Catholic Church in that their rulers were subservient to the Church. With England they knew intimately that the government controlled the Church where the King of England was the head of the Church of England. They distained both forms of government and that’s why we have in our 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights it says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. We weren’t going to have an official religion or religion running the government.
Now, our Founding Fathers believed in Judeo-Christian principals and our constitution is based on these principals. It’s because of these principals that all forms of religious worship has been permitted and welcomed in America or if a person chooses to not believe, that’s there choice. Just read the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independent.
October 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Joe, I found this to be a curious statement:
I agree with that sentiment, but who are you talking about there? Both McCain AND Obama are far richer than most of us, but I see Obama telling me more about “what’s in my best interest” far more than McCain has done. If you are voting for Obama, what makes you think you will have more choice in how you live your life or keep more of the money you earn for yourself and your family?
I am an American who has lived in New Zealand for 4 years now. I work and pay taxes here just like every other Kiwi. This country is very socialist in its policies, and there are regulations on everything, my friend. Oh sure, we have state-sponsored health care, but you just have to get in line and wait your turn – a choice determined by a government bureaucrat. And don’t forget all the health care workers’ strikes which seem to happen about every other week. And don’t forget about hospital overcrowding and bed shortages.
We also have this on-going battle over the Treaty of Waitangi, and the government has settled (with tax-payer money, of course) a few cases of what could be called reparations, with some Maori TRIBES receiving quite sizable awards, but not ONE INDIVIDUAL MAORI has received a dime – excepting, of course, the tribal iwi (chieftains).
And now the government wants to place a cap on how much water pressure each house receives and take away the choices you have regarding light bulb purchases regardless if you are willing or able to pay for more water or electricity – all in the name of fulfilling its Kyoto agreement to save the planet. There is an objection (mostly coming from the Green Party) to every clean/green proposal for alternative energy solutions, so, rather than continue to find ways of increasing supply, they seem to have just decided to coerce the citizenry to lower its demands and move backward in time. “Like it or not, we don’t care. We know what’s best for you,” is the attitude from government.
Businesses and citizens are leaving here in droves. Being a tiny country in the So Pacific, NZ has always imported more than it has exported, but exports are dwindling and the trade imbalance is widening.
I see these things happening in the US if somebody like Obama gets elected. You will have fewer choices and less individual freedom.
But you will have more “group-think” and group equality. The Constitution guarantees equal opportunity, but it does not guarantee equality. There is a difference.
October 27th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I never said “I’m voting for Obama” I said he was less crazy. I will voting for one of the 3rd party candidtates that no one knows about. As for political climates in Africa, Australia, Iran, or Iraq I haven’t a clue. And I owe anyone reading an apology if anything I’ve said is inaccurate. I know very little about the history of politics but when I see someone bringing up a race, religion, or set of values as a negative it upsets me to no end. No one deserves to be derided based on the fact who they are doesn’t mesh with who the public wants them to be. No one has the right to call you stupid, unpatriotic, or a heathen unless you know that person intimately and even then it’s wrong. People are different, diverse even…and I hope before it’s too late I hope you realize that.
…and if McCain ends up stealing the election based on the horrible tactics weve seen, I pray no one dies as a result.
October 27th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
joe, what kind of horrible tactics are you talking about? You’re not talking about shooting up election Hqs or flattening the tires of vans used to bring voters to the polls or maybe fraudulent voter registration? There’s only one party that’s known for having voters who reside in cemeteries. But, that said, what tactics are you talking about?
October 27th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Joe, as I see it, ACORN is the one involved in the most voter fraud. If you read the news, you’ll see how they tried registering someone as Micky Mouse, or that they registered a 7 year old. I could go on. Why do you think they’re being investigated in several states?
February 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
excellent post…